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Does anyone think that instant messaging via the internet has a damaging effect on spelling and grammar by encouraging people to write phonetically?
Abbreviations are OK but people need to know the formal standard forms and spellings. Or does it not really matter any more?
Will the written word ever become redundant?














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Does anyone think that instant messaging via the internet has a damaging effect on spelling and grammar by encouraging people to write phonetically. Abbreviations are OK but people need to know the formal standard forms and spellings. Or does it not really matter anymore. Will the written word ever become redundant??
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When you're honest about the amount of writing doen by the average child in the good old days, you'll find that apart from the occasional Xmas letter, most kids wrote little but their homework.
More kids than ever are communicating with text. This is definitely effecting how they think, but it certainly doesn't effect their agility with words, as the explosion of street poetry shows.
And then there is the constant evolution of language away from adult decryption. It was never like this when the only form of remote communication with friends was the postman.
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what about lemon juice?
when is a christmas letter not occaisional?
are you saying that they think when texting?
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What are occasional tables the rest of the time?
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are they quietly nesting in anticipation of greater things to come?
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I encountered an example recently whereby 'young folk' attempting to text the word 'cool' found that the predictive text function would insist on the word 'book'.
As a response, the 'young folk' began to replace the word 'cool' with 'book' in spoken usage.
Thus;
"Wow, that's really book!"
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I was probably the worst at spelling in the history of my school, and no teacher ever found any way to help it improve. After I left school, I did a lot of writing using a computer (an Amstrad PCW 9512) and found that the spellcheck was rapidly teaching me to spell accurately and without any effort on my part. Before long, I was able to dispense with spellchecks altogether and just look up the odd problem word in a dictionary. I reckon anyone can knock their spelling into shape just by doing a reasonable amount of writing using a wordprocessor with a spellcheck mechanism.
Incidentally, I invented my own system of phonetic writing as a child and still use it extensively, but the brain is able to cope with multiple spelling systems easily enough. Here is the first paragraph again, but using my phonetic writing system (note that tt is used as a short from of tsh, dd is short for dzh, and some predictable vowels can be left out for speed):-
aj wqz prqbublj dhu wurst xt spelk yn dhu hysturj qv maj scwl, xnd no tittr evr faond enj wj tw help yt ymprwv. aftr aj left scwl, aj dyd a lqt qv rajtk iwzk a cqmpiwtr (xn xmstrxd PCW 9512) xnd faond dhxt dhu spelttec wqz rxpydlj tittk mi tw spel xciwrutlj xnd wythaot enj efrt qn maj part. bifor lqk, aj wqz jbl to dispens wyth spelttecz qltwgedhr xnd ddast lwc ap dhu qd prqblum wurd yn a dycshunurj ynsted. aj recn enjwan cxn nqc dher spelk yntw shjp ddast baj dwyk a rizunubl amaont qv rajtk iwzk a wurdprosesr wyth a spelttec mecxnyzm.
It was partly because my spelling was so terrible that I developed my phonetic spelling system: it allowed me to write stuff for my own purposes at home without it being riddled with ugly errors. I think the result is that I now have a more flexible mind than I would have had otherwise, and text message spelling may in the same way be beneficial for young people today, but of course they do need to spend lots of time using the proper system as well. If schools aren't inspiring them to want to write, then there's something far wrong with schools.
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Since I use a computer constantly at work and regularly at home, and my work involves writing papers and reports, which is greatly facilitated by the computer, I probably write far more words than I ever would have done without a computer, and through that practice may have improved my style and fluency (I never had any trouble with spelling). In contrast to the fashionable views about kds txtng, my colleagues, some of whom are young, achieve a generally high standard of English. The common faults such as 'principle' for 'principal', 'recieve', 'data is', 'due to' and apostrophes in plurals do turn up; but then they are no longer exclusive to kds and high street traders, finding their way into learned journals and even The Times. txtng is not a threat to English any more than a foreign language is, for people can switch between different modes instinctively. What is a threat is imprecision in the use of words and grammar, because that will eventually lead to the inability to express shades of meaning, and the ability to express oneself is the greatest guarantee of liberty.
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Having never SMSd in my life and having absolutely no foreseeable need or intention of ever doing so, I can't understand what the fuss is all about to anyone save cellphone marketers.
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What about stranded in a car...? On a country walk...accident, broken ankle...phone for help? Bus does not come...late...need taxi? Many situations might require contacting someone...public phones are not always available or working...or you may not have cash at hand. Mobile phones are useful... texting is cheap compared with 'calling'. There are people who use their mobile for social networking cheaply; texting is relaxed and considered compared to 'faceless talking' on the end of the phone. And it has created this new text language which has crept outside mobile phone usage into other areas of written life. Is it a bad or good thing? Is it problematical for young language development?
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I think it may have a more damaging effect on those who are in their pre-teens rather than those who are perhaps in thei mid or late teenage years. Those who are, say, 16 or 17 were only introduced to the world of instant messaging a few years ago, whereas the children who are now getting their first mobiles at age 8 are more likely to be influenced by the txt tlk they are using to chat to their friends. Also, as children are now having access to instant messengers and text messaging from earlier ages, they come into contact with the simpler, phonetic spellings whilst they are still grasping the 'standard', less logical ways. Those who are currently in their later teens (or even adults) are likely to have a firm grasp of the standard spellings, making them less influenced by the txt tlk, however much it is used outside of formal situations.
I think that it is still important to know the formal standard forms and spellings. Whilst the abbreviated and phonetical forms have their place, so do the standard ways.
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I agree that there is a place for both styles. There has to be! Language evolves, has become more complex, and we're able to use different styles in different situations. We still have books and young people read them, don't they?
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Technology has forced the english language to evolve, but that is only to be expected. I am a 17 year old student and use instant messaging daily to communicate with my friends. I speak phonetically for speed and use abbreiviations to express myself through written conversation e.g. "lol" meaning "laughing out loud" when I find the other person's comment amusing. However, I still understand the importance of using "proper english" when appropriate.
... but if I'm completely honest I have noticed that I sometimes subconsciously slip in the odd "u" instead of "you" into my written work. lol!!!
thnx 4ur call
Does txt msg spk xst nemor?
Hasn't predictive spelling made it more or less obsolete, except for in Prince song titles and the modishly wacky?
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I use predictive but find I have to occasionally resort to txt msg spk to keep the cost down. The small character limit of around 160 characters/single rate cost is very limiting at times. Why it's so small is ridiculous for the price it is. If your on free texts I suppose it doesn't matter too much as most phones allow 3 messages to be grouped together these days giving around 480 chars per message.
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Hi Sorvad,
I presume that ur ability with txt msging is simply one of a range of language styles that you can use, and that's great. What about those people who are limited with language styles. The problem with technology is that it encourages 'speed activities' and low concentration spans. Reading - which helps develop vocabulary and styles - is not popular with younger children whose main medium is the mobile phone. What do you think?
Rob
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For the teenagers, that have already been intoduced to the ''technology'' vocabulary after knowing the normal language, know how to handle it and how to put the differences between the normal spoken language and the ''modern'' language.
Whereas the children, in the age of 8, use text messaging communication as a common language.
We misinterpret the reading style with younger child, as they use it, not to advance their vocabularu skill but for the fun of it or interest, thus it develops unconsciously.
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Hi Rob,
Yes, your right, I adapt my language style to suit, in the situation I mention I use txt tlk now and then to cut the message size down but generally try to use the correct spellings.
At first I was going to disagree with you about "problem with technology is that it encourages 'speed activities' and low concentration spans". But I wasn't aware of the drop in reading in younger children which you mention.
I think you're right there, but I would reserve that not all technology encourages low concentration spans and that some may even lead to better problem solving and cognitive skills. But alas this is probably in the minority.
I think yourself and "Guest" are correct in the effects of some forms of communication being a bad influence on younger children.
[Edited by: admin on 25-Jan-2006 14:35]
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I think you're wroung... As we have grown up with increasing technology we understand it well and know when it is appropriate to use such language features and when it is not. We change style in order to suite the context.
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That's all well and good but what does "wroung" mean? I've grown up with the technology as well but is this some new or technical word that i've missed out on, or is it that you spelt it wrong?
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a wise point, what has happened to the youth of today?
Being a technophobe the affects of such things do not effect me. though i know a particularly stupid person - Chris Eaton