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I wonder if anyone heard Desert Island Discs today where Barenboim once again engaged with Sue Lawley, attempted to imitate the spoken voices of Janet Baker and Clifford Curzon, and chose his favourite, somewhat predicatable, favourite recordings? An interesting complement to the Reith Lectures, I thought.
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Desert Island Discs
I wonder if anyone heard Desert Island Discs today where Barenboim once again engaged with Sue Lawley, attempted to imitate the spoken voices of Janet Baker and Clifford Curzon, and chose his favourite, somewhat predicatable, favourite recordings? An interesting complement to the Reith Lectures, I thought.
Worth a 'listen again' ?
Richard Langham Smith
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Isn't the function of DID to explore the associations people make with the music rather than the music itself?
If you agree to go on the programme, what "instructions for selection" are you given? I suspect a time limit to the music and a suggestion of range?
It is worth reflecting on the selections in terms of ambiguity too - how so many repeat selections are made (predictable) but for different reasons and associations.
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He was Barenboim, so the smell of walnut veneered stereograms wasn't as strong as usual, and there was the interesting point about the use of scales in teaching.
He doesn't approve.
http://tinyurl.com/hopae
As for DID in general, its guests are generally forty years behind the times and not representative of - well, anything.
The range of selections is woefully narrow.
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...and why did the programme makers cut short Edwin Fischer's playing of C sharp major Prelude Bk2 (Bach) with only 5 or 6 bars to go to the end of the Prelude? This is about 10-15 seconds more music.
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Actually this is a vital point, not only to the particular broadcast of DID but also of broadcasting in general. And it relates to a point Barenboim made which I thought was thought-provoking but could have gone further. It was what he said about music 'coming out of silence'. He demonstrated it rather well. But music should also go back into silence. We know that from concerts where the audience is stilled, and hardly dares to clap. That's one of the reasons why the increasing sanctioning of Radio 'clips' of music is so bad. In my view and perhaps yours too.
Dick LS
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Which is why minidisks are so great.
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Richard,
I didn't hear Desert Island Discs and it is not available as 'listen again'. However, I'm pleased you told me and I shall listen to the repeat on Friday 12th May 0900 - 0945.
It means getting in to work late again this Friday and more questions from my colleagues at work. 'What do you do on Fridays?' to which I shrug and say, I listen to the radio, which is generally dismissed as too ridiculous to be true.
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What's wrong with listening to the wireless? Sometimes you want to puke, sometimes you learn a lot, sometimes it brings a tear to the eye. AND you can do something else at the same time, even while the Reith lectures are going on.
Yes listen to the repeat and let the forum know what you thought.
Thanks for replying
Dick LS
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Wireless! You'll be saying you wear tank tops next!!!!
As for DID, like the acronym, I find Sue Lawley totally lacking in finesse. She has no ability to really empathise with her interviewee. Some of her questions to DB made me cringe, and her forced laugh shows her lack of spontaneity, and inablity to engage with his humour. For eg. her comments about his age, and whether this effected his playing because his fingers might be arthritic. Terrible. Terrible. What kind of inquiry is this?
As others have said, we should have been treated to an exposition about his musical development and I for one, would have been interested in why he chose the particular pieces he did, and what meaning they had for him, both personally and musically.
When push comes to shove, SL just doesn't cut the mustard...not ever.[sorry about the mixed metaphors]
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I thought Sue Lawley did a great job 'holding the ring' in the lectures. It was slightly artificial, with most questions planted and the response planned, I agree. A more spontaneous discussion would be ideal, but both broadcasters and musicians when talking about delicate issues, need to take care not to make rash statements.
Unfortunately I missed Desert Island Discs, but it is rarely riveting. It is designed to be amusing and illuminating in its way. I'm sure DB was the best interviewee she's had for years and I'm sorry I missed it.
Sue Lawley fawning? Surely Roy Plomley was the greatest exponent? Sue Lawley is a rotweiller by comparison and I like her style better.
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Hi Perdido
Well actually I do have a tank top. I used to wear it at university parties where everyone took each other off: I had a sort of patterned one which early-music people used to wear, so I used to combine it sandals (no socks) and had a bunch of carrots (with tops) hanging from my belt.
DID is another punter's acronym, by the way. One of the great things about this forum are the delicious little phrases one learns. 'Wireless' is one of them: I'm sticking with it.
As for Sue Lawley: well she was fawning all over his every phrase, every joke, even if he nicked them from Thomas Beecham (yawn, yawn - how many times have we heard that one). The interesting question is who will replace her? Depite other poster's comments. I still have a love-hate relationship with DID: Plomley devised a brilliantly simple but totally gripping formula, in my view.
The forum is very lively - and such fun!
Bye for now, Perdido.
Dick LS
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Are you really called Dick! And thank god you didn't wear sox. To do otherwise would have let the side down. The cool side.
Re. DID. Could someone with influence and learning suggest to the BBC they do an alternative one eg. 'ordinary' people,a bit like those video clips they used to have on the tv.?
btw.I read somewhere that Roy Ps widow has never liked SL.
But who would be first in the queue to introduce it if she wasn't there? James Macnaughty? Hope not. Have enough to put up with him on the Today programme.
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I just want to know what the selction procedure is.
They struck lucky with Ruby Wax, but generally, the smell of arts societies and Roedean, wax polish, cummerbunds and taffeta is never very far away.
It is as if Roy Plomely was still alive. As if it was still 1957 and Heartbreak Hotel had never happened.
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Appalling acoustics and badly edited – very common on DID. I thought Ms. Lawley could have pressed the issue in respect of his response to the question as to whether music is a language and his response was most unscientific.
I was surprised and respected him for speaking openly about personal aspects of his life. However we didn’t really discover anything about the soul of the man and this has been the major failing of DID over recent years. Ms. Lawley is at her worst when she fawns over a guest and I’m afraid she was guilty of this throughout the whole of the interview. As you say, the choices were predictable and I suspect the lack of any surprises won’t have helped capture the listeners’ attention.
I’m glad you enjoyed it. The programme isn’t available on Listen Again for well known reasons.
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Well I love DID even if the pleasure is groaning! I have to say I agree about the fawning: what a well-chosen word! But what are the well-known reasons for it not being available on listen again? I must be very thick.
Dick LS
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Dick, I think DID is the kind of radio programmes where the listener should hear a guest in their intellectual underwear – but they never do. It’s become the broadcasting equivalent of an A-line skirt (or V-neck pullover). Chris Evans is the only guest who’s really caught my attention over recent months. His honesty and openness, concerning his finances was most refreshing. Also, it isn’t often that one hears a guest speaking about their profound love of listening to the radio and Mr. Evans accomplished this in a most powerful manner. How many recent interviews or record choices stand out in your memory?
It’s clear from the observation that Radio 4 chose to scrap the DID message board (without warning) on April 15th 2003 that the station doesn’t have any particular love or affinity for the programme. Most of the great radio broadcasters (Mary Goldring, John Peel, Brian Redhead, William Hardcastle, Derek Jewel…continued P64) are either retired or, sadly, no longer with us. Consequently, endless speculation about a ‘replacement’ is a waste of time. I can guarantee that the listening figures won’t suddenly rise when the new presenter is appointed. I’d choose to scrap the programme and redirect R4 listeners to Private Passions which is usually interesting.
The format of the programme is owned by Mr. Plomley’s estate (I assume this means his widow) and there appears to be some difficulty in coming to an agreement with the BBC in respect of the broadcasting rights. The R4 MB host has posted quite a few times about this matter over the last four years, informing contributors that negotiations are still going on, but they never seem to reach any agreement.
Finally, may I take this opportunity to thank you for all your efforts and energy expended in generating discussions on this MB? I’ve certainly appreciated it.
Kind regards,
Lawrence
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Lawrence
Gosh you and DID go back a long way! I'd forgotten about Roy Plomley and that it was all his brainwave. So now I now the copyright reasons. I listen to Private Passions rather more, I have to confess, but the two are a little different.
Thanks for the info
Dick LS