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Is Darwinism distinct from Darwin?

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Would Darwin have considered himself a disciple of the tradition that bears his name? Caroline Ogilvie investigates.

11 Feb
2009

What does it mean to be a Darwinian? If one had been asked this question in 1859 the answer, although controversial for the time, was in many ways simpler.

A Darwinian endorsed Charles Darwin’s scientific theory of evolution, which explained the development of species by natural selection, as opposed to a deistic creationist view, which saw the origin of life on earth entirely initiated by God. However, if this question had been asked towards the end of the nineteenth-century, the answer would have been a great deal more complex.

This complexity arises from the fact that after The Origin of Species (1859), but more specifically after the publication of The Descent of Man (1871), Darwinism had transcended the purely scientific, to become intertwined with practically every aspect of human discourse.

Whilst Darwinian theory scientifically explained the evolution of species, and the development of human form and mental faculty, it also addressed the basis and interaction of relationships and this aspect was to propel it into the political arena, where it continues to be hotly debated to this day.

The application of Darwin’s theory to society was further aided by the fact that, although Darwin was original in his identification of the mechanism of evolution, much of his theory derived from earlier evolutionists.

In blending his ideas with these evolutionary precedents, Darwin made his own theory vulnerable. Not only were some of the earlier theories more easily transferable to human society but, by the end of the century, Darwinism had become an amalgam for non-Darwinian evolutionary ideas.

Evolutionary ideas (in other words ideas which state that varieties of plants and animals, far from having existed in the same state from the beginning of time, have gradually and usually progressively modified over successive generations) existed long before Darwin.

Heraclitus and Anaximander, for example, had long ago suggested that animal species were mutable; Aristotle had outlined a model for an evolutionary process in plants; and the Stoics and Epicureans suggested that man was a part of nature and possessed the same "savage"organs.

By the end of the eighteenth century, theories deduced from the natural world clearly paved the way for Darwin. Debates encompassed the classification of species between Linnaeus (1707-78) and Buffon (1707-88), to discussions surrounding the supposed influences to development and variation involving Lamarck (1744-1829) and Cuvier (1769-1832). Additionally, an examination of the geological record, initiated by Hutton (1726-97), was further developed by Darwin’s friend, Charles Lyell (1797-1875). Therefore, by the time the young Darwin set out on the Beagle, evolutionary ideas had already been embraced by many in the scientific community.

Darwin never claimed to have invented evolution. Indeed, he acknowledged his predecessors and, in various degrees, utilised their ideas when he postulated his own theory. Darwin’s specific contribution was to identify the mechanism by which species adapted to their changing environments: natural selection.

This is the distinctive element, but one which on its own did not create Darwinism. Darwin’s biological theory of evolution encompassed more than this single mechanism and, by the time of Descent ,he placed greater emphasis on sexual selection and Lamarck’s inheritance of acquired characteristics. It was therefore possible to agree with Darwin on certain aspects of his evolutionary theory but not on others.

Whilst debate amongst historians around what constitutes Darwinism continued into the twentieth century, as Darwin was formulating, writing and re-writing his theories he aided those who would subsequently seek to apply his ideas to society. He did this by adopting terminology epitomising nineteenth century social language with specific reference to metaphors, borrowed from two renowned social commentators, namely T.H. Malthus and Herbert Spencer.

Far from being the naïve scientist who stumbled into the controversial topic of man’s role in nature, Darwin had always had an intense interest in the origin, development and evolution of man.

Gruber’s work on Darwin’s early unpublished notebooks, particularly Notebook M from 1838, entitled, ‘Man, Mind and Materialism’, illustrates this point exactly and shows that, not surprisingly, man was the ultimate challenge to unravel in terms of his physical, mental and social evolution.

Darwin’s early and continued interest in man, his recourse to earlier evolutionary theories and his eclectic style in utilising the intellectual milieu with which he was so familiar, indicate that man and every aspect of his existence, including his social existence, was of interest to Darwin from his initial forays into science. If one accepts this view, then it is difficult to see how Darwin could be seen as distinct from any discussions relating to the social existence of man.

Darwinism, it can be argued, can therefore be seen as incorporating the same elements which Darwin assimilated. Robert Young puts it succinctly, when he notes his own "weariness, even impatience, that it’s still necessary to argue that: the intellectual origins of the theory of evolution by natural selection are inseparable from social, economic, and ideological issues in nineteenth-century Britain."

It could be supposed that Darwin’s life-long interest in man and, by association, his social existence, ensured the easy transition of Darwinian principles of evolution from the animal and plant world to the more complex world of man. Indeed, many of those who were later labelled Social Darwinists sought such a direct, although narrow, application.

However, they illustrate exactly the problem. Does Social Darwinism mean that all of Darwin’s ideas can be straightforwardly applied to man, or is there a level by which some ideas, for instance natural and sexual selection, are more important than others, such as heredity? As man is far more complex than his animal ancestors, should Darwinian principles incorporate these complexities, particularly in relation to man’s mental faculties? Is it more feasible to apply Darwin’s ideas by adopting a reductionist position, seeing man as part of the animal equation, or should an elevationist approach be adopted, which sees the highly developed mind of man as dichotomising him from his animal ancestry?

Such questions form the tip of the iceberg in discussions relating to Social Darwinism. It too was not a single entity, but rather a field of debate relating to man’s place in the world of evolution.

Though the term Social Darwinism is essentially a label that has been applied retrospectively, those Victorians who were attempting to develop the social applicability of Darwin’s ideas could not merely limit themselves to the acceptance of one tenet whilst ignoring the others.

However, if even during Darwin’s lifetime there was some confusion over the exact meaning of his key terms, then it is likely that people may have thought they were postulating Darwinian ideas when in fact they were espousing a blend of Darwinian, Lamarckian, environmentalist or any other remotely evolutionary concept. Whilst interpretative "generalists" argue that Lamarckism is a legitimate form of Darwinism, "restrictionists" tend to exclude it.

Despite these difficulties, it is possible to identify individuals who attempted to apply what they believed to be Darwinian tenets and interpretations to society. The idea that a continuous struggle for existence was fundamental for all living things - which resulted in a (usually) progressive outcome, in which the fittest of the species survived - was seen to endorse the ideas of those who were keen defenders of laissez faire economics, advocates of competition and individualism, and antagonistic to any form of state intervention, not least in the sphere of welfare. Conventionally, such adherents, epitomised by Herbert Spencer, have been labelled Social Darwinists.

Yet a glance at the historiography shows that this traditional assumption has been challenged. Bannister has argued against the "myth" that Darwinism was "wantonly used by the forces of reaction". He considers that the main legacy of the Origin was adopted by a range of Reform Darwinists, socialists, collectivists and New Liberals, who used Darwinism to endorse their own views whilst pointing out the misapplication of his theory by their opponents, who the reformers labelled as Social Darwinists. On this basis, the Social Darwinists were the invention of the left. Crook has also stressed a different interpretation of Social Darwinism and argues that Darwin’s theories lend themselves to "peace biology" and mutual aid, rather than to brutal imperialism.

The only thing on which historians of Darwinism and Social Darwinism seem fully to agree, is that both terms are difficult to define. As already noted, it is possible to see Social Darwinism as "inclusive", incorporating Darwin’s key tenets and influences, specifically Lamarck, along with the various implications of his metaphoric approach. Others prefer to use a narrower definition, focusing purely on natural selection. Each definition has its own problems and, when applied historically, it is possible to interpret adherents to Darwinism as variously preserving the forces of reaction, advocating selfish individualism, imperialism, racism or advocating reform in terms of mutual aid, peace and collectivism.

Footnotes

In this article, “Man” is used to refer generically to humanity as this was common practice during the Victorian era. Interestingly, Darwin, in Descent refers to “humanity” only in reference to savage tribes being devoid of kindness or mercy.

Carolus Linnaeus was a taxonomist, whose Systema Naturae (1735) and Systema Vegetabilium (1774) set out a system for defining genera or species of organisms.

Georges Louise Leclerc de Buffon, Director of the Royal Botanical Gardens in Paris, systematically presented all existing knowledge in fields of natural history in his celebrated work Histoire Naturelle (44 vols published between 1749-1804). Buffon placed man in the first rank of animal hierarchy.

Georges Cuvier, Professor of Vertebrate Zoology at the Museum d’Histoire Naturalle, is chiefly remembered as a comparative anatomist who first explored the question of why animals were anatomically different. Although an "anti-evolutionist", David Oldroyd has argued that Cuvier was one of the "theoretical stepping-stones linking Linneaus’s natural history and Darwin’s evolutionism".

Charles Lyell’s Principles of Geology (1830-3) was principally important to Darwin because Lyell argued that the earth was millions of years old, therefore refuting a number of his contemporaries who believed the earth had been created much later. Lyell’s work showed Darwin that time was not a problem in considering the origin and gradual evolution of species.

Greene attempts to "lay to rest the naïve idea that Darwin was a ‘pure scientist’ uncontaminated by the preconceptions of his age and culture"

Further reading & references:

The Non-Darwinian Revolution: Reinterpreting a Historical Myth
Peter Bowler

R.C. Bannister, Social Darwinism: Science and Myth in Anglo-American Thought
Robert C Bannister

Darwinism, War and History: The Debate over the Biology of War from the “Origin of Species” to the First World War
Paul Crook

Darwin on Man: A Psychological Study of Scientific Creativity with Darwin’s Early and Unpublished Notebooks
Howard Gruber

Social Darwinism in European and American Thought, 1860-1945
Mike Hawkins

Social Darwinism in American Thought
Richard Hofstadter

The Darwinian Heritage
Edited by David Kohn

Darwinian Impacts: An Introduction to the Darwinian Revolution
David Oldroyd

Apes, Angels, and Victorians
William Irvine

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trini has started a thread discussing Is Darwinism distinct from Darwin?.

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Hi Trini! Thanks for your somewhat more moderate comments on the originality of Darwin. I have been an ardent darwinist in the old sense since my early childhood in the Netherlands in the seventies, when I used to take fossils to school and church, slam them on the table and ask my teachers: And now explain that! However, I have always seen Darwin as a man of his time. He was gifted certainly, but if not him, than another would have been forced to see his conclusions.

Strangely enough, I was being encouraged in my evolutionary zeal by my father, a professor of semitic languages and teacher at a theological seminary. I believe this is entirely in the same tradition as Darwin grew up in, the Victorians, despite their strong religious beliefs, were insatiably curious about the creation. They believed in using their God given intelligence. Very few scientists have been so priviliged as the wealthy Victorian scientists, such as Darwin, able to follow their fancies for years without a worry for their finances. In a way, all these discoveries were paid for by the industrial revolution and the profits of colonisation. Any modern scientist envies them their time to think. In another way, they were enabled by the belief in a rational God, in a creation that humans, being created in God's image, could understand.

There is a huge fallacy, however, in equating the fact that we are decended from apes with our being entirely subject to Darwinian evolution. We are very different from the rest of creation because of the very fact that we are having this debate, that spans centuries, if not millions of years, of the past. We are no longer just passing on genes, we are passing on knowledge, emotions, wisdom, love. Even if we are eventually destroyed, we will leave our insights for some galactic traveller. We are transcending our genetic evolution, and precisely that makes us special. As a trained molecular biologist and geneticist, this makes me marvel. As a Christian, I find this reason for praising God.

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''There is a huge fallacy, however, in equating the fact that we are decended from apes with our being entirely subject to Darwinian evolution. We are very different from the rest of creation because of the very fact that we are having this debate, that spans centuries, if not millions of years, of the past. We are no longer just passing on genes, we are passing on knowledge, emotions, wisdom, love. Even if we are eventually destroyed, we will leave our insights for some galactic traveller. We are transcending our genetic evolution, and precisely that makes us special. As a trained molecular biologist and geneticist, this makes me marvel. As a Christian, I find this reason for praising God. ''

Response to Cornelia de Moor

Humans are apes. We are unique. However, so is every other species. We are not unique in being unique.

We pass on knowledge through communication.

We display emotions and love.

We learn wisdom.

All are functions of an overly large brain, which in turn is a function of our development as a species through the evolutionary process. No need or desire for supernatural intervention.

Paul

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i expressed a comment yesterday and u havent had no courage to publish it.
u seem to only publish those comments that steer the sheep to doom

[Moderator: I am not sure which post you are referring to, however, please note: comments will be removed that are insulting and posts deleted if they do not add to the debate. Please feel free to re-post your comments.]

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G Tingey,
You say: "Remember, there is no such thing as "Darwinism" - this is a false label attached to modern evolutionary biology by christian and muslim fundies, attempting to discredit a particular section of scientific endeavour."

Well, the article by Dr Ogilvie that this thread is discussing, is entitled 'Is Darwinism distinct from Darwin?' Is Dr Ogilvie a Christian or a Muslim 'fundie'? Nuff said?

I intend to continue doing what I can to 'discredit a particular section of scientific endeavour' because 'Darwinism' as presented in the media is usually a totally illegitimate and wrong claim, not supported by 'science under the microscope', that Darwinism explains everything about life and mankind, and sweeps away God in the process. This is bad reasoning. The first Andrew Marr program on BBC 2, on "Darwin's Dangerous Idea", is a good example of such media distortion. Marr had almost nothing to say about Darwin's science, but he did a lot of philosophizing about man in society, which Professor Jones insinuates "lies outside the realm of science altogether."

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It is probably fair to say there is no single idea called Darwinism, just certain views, sometimes extreme, which their proponents, or opponents, ascribe to Darwin's inspiration. Unlike some other thinkers, Darwin described but did not prescribe. A description can be enough to create a movement if it illuminates a state or process leading to a change in perception and thence action. However, provided Darwin's illumination is sufficiently unbiased, this can be considered to decouple Darwin from 'Darwinism'. It is one thing to say that 'survival of the fittest' occurs. It is another to make it a political maxim. The illumination provided by Darwin may however lead to a new perception of non-natural selection and altruism.

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examination of the brain by microscope? has been done and tells us a lot about the structure. not so good for function though. and thats why current studies of active, healthy living brains is being done by nmr, mri and cat scan..... its a new field of research and it will tell us a lot about how we function. you may find a trip over to the public library of science (biology) web site worth the effort. there are some interesting papers on this subject.

as for darwinism being distinct from darwin... well, as steve jones rightly reminds us its important to separate the science from the scientist.

Blind regurgitation of Waste

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Seems there are a lot of blind leading the blind, relying on other people's opinion to force a misinformed conclusion.

Now where is the hands on experience..where are the facts ????

LOL

I'm afraid that the originator of this thread, having been intellectually trashed elsewhere, is just attempting to do a not-so-subtle undermining job from a different direction.

Woow, straight from a horses mouth.... obviously no scientific training in the fields of science that matter. Rote garbage

Trini: You just don't understand how science works, do you, really?

Learning is first to start with an open mind

Seems most people on this forum already know

LOL

Know nothing

Such is the state of science where the huge mass of past misinformation is pushed up to prevent discovery

Vested interests only have to say... here read this experts opinion...
LOL.. and so it has been since the POPE imprisoned Galileo

I am amazed at the blinkered state of "scientists" that are point focused.
All reported science on the reasons why LIFE is so varied is just a load of ignorance perpetuated over hundreds of years
Not a real thought in there at all.

When it comes to looking at oneself, all rationality is lost.

pathetic earthlings

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Seems there are a lot of blind leading the blind, relying on other people's opinion to force a misinformed conclusion.[/QUPTE]
Correct.
They are called "Creationists" or "ID proponents"

Now where is the hands on experience..where are the facts ????

Try the Natural History Museum!
Or any University Developmental Biology department.

Woow, straight from a horses mouth.... obviously no scientific training in the fields of science that matter.  Rote garbage

I thought insulting remarks weresupposed to be trimmed by the moderators.
No scientific training, huh?
B.Sc. Physics, M.Sc. Engineering do for you?


SNIP ..
Such is the state of science where the huge mass of past misinformation is pushed up to prevent discovery
Vested interests only have to say... here read this experts opinion...
LOL.. and so it has been since the POPE imprisoned Galileo

What are you actually trying to say, here?
It appears that you are facing both ways simultaneously?

I am amazed at the blinkered state of "scientists" that are point focused.
All reported science on the reasons why LIFE is so varied is just a load of ignorance perpetuated over hundreds of years

How many hunderds of years?
Do you mean the past 150, ot the period BEFORE Wallace & Darwin elucidated our understanding?
Oh, and what ignorance, please?
Can you specify what you are talking about, as it is very unclear as to your meaning.

Not a real thought in there at all.
When it comes to looking at oneself, all rationality is lost.
pathetic earthlings

Well, thats what people get for believeing they have an invisible friend, who can't be detected....

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B.Sc. Physics, M.Sc. Engineering do for you?

nothing.. this subject is biological, genetic, physiological, biochemical, neurological etc

You many be an expert in your field... well so am I in my field.... LIFE and all its aspects

Even the discoverer of DNA concluded all that is alive is one super-organism.

But the BS continues, will every dog having its opinion...and in a democracy, the mass of ignorance rules....

Try the Natural History Museum!
Or any University Developmental Biology department.

Stamp collection, there is absolutely no proof there... the code is unseen by you and Darwin had no idea at all.

I do not intend to argue with you. Study the science and maybe you will see your errors.

Peace... pathetic earthlings

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Peace... pathetic earthlings

To Ming the Merciless -

The robot you are using to impersonate the kidnapped scientist Dr Zarkov has developed a fault and is giving away its origins. Your evil plan has failed.

I already suspected that the "Zarkov" posting on this forum was an imposter. He clearly was no true scientist, and kept badmouthing real scientists and posting a lot of mystical nonsense about LIFE, presumably designed to spread confusion and argument among your human enemies.

I suggest that you return the real Dr Zarkov immediately, unharmed. Otherwise you may expect to meet with condign retribution from Flash Gordon and his allies.

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Hi Trini. Though The Language of the Genes is a good read and, for its time, pretty accurate it is quite out of date now especially when you get to areas such as genetics and neuroscience. If you want a slighty more up to date perspective of how the brain forms consciouness I would reccomend reading John McCrone - Going Inside: A Tour round a single moment of Consciousness.

The more research that gets preformed the more it looks as though consciouness is a by product of not only the brains complexity but also that of the CNS. The continous feedback loop that are these dynamic systems coupled with the input from our senses gives arise to what we call consciouness. There is nothing mystical or magical about it. If you imagine the human mind is a like a freshly baked cake, then consciouness is the aroma coming off the cake. A by product of all those ingredients being put together.

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I invite Dr Ogilvie to explain how "Darwinian theory scientifically explained the ... development of human form and mental faculty", as she claims early on in her article. Whatever about common descent (which Darwin anyhow couldn't have understood in our sense, because he did not know anything about the common genetic elements in man and chimpanzee - and banana), I contest that Darwinian theory has explained or can explain the 'mental faculty' of mankind. I agree with these statements of Professor Steve Jones in his book The Language of the Genes: "Gene sharing, from bacteria to humans, proves the unity of existence. It also defines the limits of what biology can say. A CHIMP MAY SHARE NINETY-EIGHT PERCENT OF ITS DNA WITH OURSELVES BUT IT IS NOT NINETY-EIGHT PERCENT HUMAN; IT IS NOT HUMAN AT ALL - IT IS A CHIMP (my emphasis). And does the fact that we have genes in common with a mouse, or a banana, say anything about human nature? SOME CLAIM THAT GENES WILL TELL US WHAT WE REALLY ARE. THE IDEA IS ABSURD (my emphasis). WHAT IT MEANS TO BE PART OF HUMANKIND ... calls for a lot more than a sequence of DNA bases and LIES OUTSIDE THE REALM OF SCIENCE ALTOGETHER (my emphasis)(p. 35)".

I consider the 'mental faculty' of mankind to lie 'outside the realm of science altogether'. It is not susceptible to microscopic examination - although the human brain, whose healthy state is required for the exercise of the 'menatl faculty' on this side of the grave, is thus susceptible. It is therefore not explainable by Darwinism.

Although Dr Ogilvie is entitled to her views, I think that she should indicate that there is divided opinion about the origin and powers of mankind's 'mental faculty'. A non-acceptance of the theory that mankind's 'mental faculty' evolved by Darwinian steps from brute matter also throws into confusion any idea that 'social Darwinism' can be correct. Specifically, the idea of right and wrong, morality, cannot be explained by genes alone - pace Richard Dawkins.

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Just taking issue with part of this ....

I
I consider the 'mental faculty' of mankind to lie 'outside the realm of science altogether'. It is not susceptible to microscopic examination - although the human brain, whose healthy state is required for the exercise of the 'menatl faculty' on this side of the grave, is thus susceptible. It is therefore not explainable by Darwinism.

BUT it IS (will be) explicable, eventually, by science.
Remember, there is no such thing as "Darwinism" - this is a false labe attached to modern evolutionary biology by christian and muslim fundies, attempting to discredit a particular section of scientific endeavour.

I'm afraid that the originator of this thread, having been intellectually trashed elsewhere, is just attempting to do a not-so-subtle undermining job from a different direction.

Trini: You just don't understand how science works, do you, really?

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Trini, you are skilled at thinking..and commended for not following the mass of sheep... even though all scream against your thoughts
Thank You !!!

I consider the 'mental faculty' of mankind to lie 'outside the realm of science altogether'. It is not susceptible to microscopic examination - although the human brain, whose healthy state is required for the exercise of the 'mental faculty' on this side of the grave, is thus susceptible. It is therefore not explainable by Darwinism.

It is not so much the logic and the rationality of the brain that offers an improbable random creation via some Darwinian mechanism...even a computer can do such tasks, usually/or could do via experiential RAM knowledge

It is the hidden ROM knowledge like directives and imperatives that lie in the brain, such as the conscience, empathy, innate "good"... feelings of guilt and so forth
most of these imperatives/directives can not even be characterised.. they are what makes up the mysteries of all living things (life-forms / super-cells)

This is software that was written at the beginning of LIFE, and passed on via genetics, through LIFE's seeds to all super cells/super organs...... it is why artificial intelligence can never mimic the human state..... there is no way these ROM like instructions can ever be/will ever be elucidated.

Darwinian evolution is a most unsatisfactory mechanism to explain LIFE... it is derogatory, childish and basically laughable and it is leading the population of Earth to ruin. LIFE is most definitely not based upon random chance.

As Einstein said... God does not play dice

LIFE is an inter-galactic infection. IT planet hops.

Earthlings must attain a true picture of what LIFE is if it as a super-organ of LIFE is to ever gain unity.

Earthlings know not what they are, where they are going, nor where they should be going.

They can not even define sanity or good.

THIS IS CRITICAL TO SURVIVAL.

To know your purpose is the "Holy Grail" LOL

LIFE has a default option, and at present Earth is in default mode.

Once seeding has occurred anew, the mother "LIFE plant" dies... and earthlings become extinct here..... only to rise again in another mother in another place in another time.... maybe with a similar but different face.
Genetic variability allows for all variations.

Believe it or not LIFE is a fungus.

This is not science fiction.

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