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[INTERPOSING VOICES]

Fiona Kemp

At Robert Owen, that’s where my work was in terms of the Listening Project initially – we were a small nursery school that became a much bigger setting. One of the things that’s so important, if you’re trying to work with others, is to listen to them and how you could be with them and take them with you and learn together.

So it was started at the school, at Robert Owen, with a whole Inset day, introducing the ideas of children’s participation, looking at the work of Alison Clark and the National Children’s Bureau, and was supported with the local authority, looking at equal opportunities so that providing everybody and the children with an equal opportunity through listening to everybody and sometimes, of course, making adaptations to the way you can listen.

And I have to say, it wasn’t just a matter of standing up and saying, this is a brilliant idea. It took time for everybody to buy into the idea of listening. And that includes thinking about, what does listening mean?

I know here at Rachel McMillan they talk a lot about attunement. And it’s a similar way of sort of being with the children and with the adults and up close with the parents or people that come into your school.

Theresa Lane

We got the word ‘attunement’ while we were doing the Listening Project in 2008. The Listening Project wasn’t about just listening. It was about watching body language, just stepping back a bit and trying to understand what was really going on.

Rachel Hogarth Smith

We were doing a lot of work about attachment and talking about the importance of attachment and relationship-building when you’re settling children into nursery. And attunement was a very strong part of that. So that just seemed to kind of marry up the attachment and relationship-building is about attunement.

At the time we were doing the Listening Project, there was a listening network in Greenwich, which a number of settings were sort of meeting and sharing practice in. And that definition of listening was first introduced in one of those sessions and saying that if you use listening, it can be misunderstood.

Theresa Lane

We looked at attunement as being a much broader thing than just listening. And after the year that we did, where we were trying to improve the way we were listening to the children, we decided we needed to broaden it out. So the next year, our research question was, how can we improve the way we listen to the parents? It was a really significant piece of CPD for our staff, actually, and changed a lot of how we worked.

The second year, when we looked at how can we listen better to the parents, has been about things, for example, when the parents were all coming in in the shelter in the morning, when it’s all very crowded, don’t just look at the people that are right up against you. Look over their shoulders to the people that might be hovering in the doorway, because they might be the ones that really need you but it’s too difficult for them to come forward.

So that’s about attunement, because it’s about looking at body language and understanding how people feel. It’s empathy, I suppose.

Amor Pagaduan

Can I use this? What shall I do with this?

Boy

Bang.

Amor Pagaduan

I have to bang?

Boy

Like this.

Amor Pagaduan

Here?

[BANGING]

We use quite a lot of listening as attunement in the setting. And we use a lot of body language to show that child that we’re listening to them – very open body language and, again, going back to copying their movements and incorporating language into that, so the child knows that we’re listening to them. And we repeat what they’re saying.

Teacher

What happened now? What happened?

Boy

This one broke it.

Fiona Kemp

It’s that tuning in to somebody else – in particular, if you’re working with young children – so that you’ll be able to be with them on their wavelength and support them in a way that made sense to them and not just making sense to you. You tune in to them. You listen to them.

You interact with them. You have an environment that enables them to follow their passions. It is an interesting thought about the difference that could be between attunement and listening. What I would say is, they’re extremely similar, because if you tune in to somebody – and in particular, a young child – you are giving them your attention. You are listening.

Teacher

What are you doing? Do you want to help? So tell Luca.

Boy

Frankie there –