OK - I'm sorry - more of an essay than a blog post, but I’ve got to get all this off my chest in one go. In the 1980s across Europe you would see stickers with a sparky little cartoon atom character shouting ‘nuclear power - no thanks!'.
There was a minor media flurry when two or three prominent UK environmentalists clustered earlier this year to say 'regretfully I’ve changed my mind – climate change is so big it justifies turning to nuclear power’.
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A train carries waste away from Dungeness nuclear power station [Image: JohnGreyTurner]
Having been asked several times in the last fortnight what I reckon to this argument I’ve decided to pull my thoughts together into one place. Here are the arguments put by the nuclear public relations folks, with my own response to them:
- New Jobs! It’ll be French and German companies and technicians that are most likely to benefit from UK growth in nuclear generation, and we'll be paying top whack as there'll be an acute skills shortage if the industry grows as fast as it hopes. And these are very expensive jobs to ‘create’ in the sense that other kinds of energy related investment generate many more.
- Too Cheap to Meter! (and this time we mean it!) This bold promise was never delivered in the 20th century – on the contrary – nuclear always needed government cash. But everyone anticipates that energy and climate crunches together will see the cost of carbon-based fuels rise and hence the competitiveness of nuclear and renewables increase. Although it’s likely that we'd still need to see central government reaching into its pocket to cover decommissioning/waste issues nuclear is going to become much more competitive. But, it still requires really immense initial capital investment and long time scales.
OK so it may be a French company that’s asking to build them, but it is hardly an investment risk. They’ll only put up the money if prices are guaranteed and waste costs covered by future UK taxpayers. Eggs in several baskets!
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Nuclear power plant, Biblis Germany.
The nuclear PR folks are politely pro renewable energy. They suggest it’s good to spread our energy investments. The difficulty with this is that in periods where central government and private investment is under pressure there are opportunity costs carried by any choice. It is simply politically naive to suggest that major commitments to N power will not result in reduced investments in energy efficiency programmes or renewables. Renewables can't do it all & carbon capture and storage are untried and costly! Probably the best card in the N hand. But it assumes that we have to match or grow current levels of energy demand and do nothing to reduce it.
Almost all of developed world society processes and products are 'energy blind'. They developed in an era of very low cost energy and are hugely wasteful. Why not spend the 15 years and many billions we might invest in a decent sized N programme in really aggressive demand-management and clean green re-design of much that we do. Unlike an investment in N power many of these measures would carry plenty of other environmental and social benefits: the collateral benefits of N investment are largely confined to those getting jobs and research funding.
The PR insists that nuclear power's waste issues were always exaggerated and the greens' criticisms were emotional not rational. Whatever the truth of the matter, the industry must be the last people on the planet that think that human systems are infallible.
radwaste is a classic case study of how we pursue short term interests and discount future generations
Having said that the new systems produce less waste and there are much more convincing ways of dealing with particularly the low level stuff. And we already have a big pile of it in the UK anyway. But I think radwaste is a classic case study of how we pursue short term interests and discount future generations - the formal economic process of calculating discount rates generally considers that the best gift you can offer to future generations is a wealthy present. Hence economic and policy analysis has favoured N power in the present and not considered costs to the future of these technologies (including opportunity costs mentioned above).
So in summary – yes we need to invest in effective waste management to deal with the pile we’ve got but let’s not compound the problem further. There's a climate monster behind the door! This is the argument that whatever the downsides we must at all costs avoid a climate tipping point.
The UEA's Professor Tim Lenton says be careful with painting a picture of a threat of one great tipping point - it will propel us towards over hasty techno fixes that may generate new problems, and is in any case a bit of a distraction in terms of how to represent climate change. He makes this point in relation to geo-engineering but the same goes for N. He's lead author on nuanced paper on 'Tipping Elements'.
Well, the industry is set to expand but this raises the geopolitics/terrorism question. I don't think this is the best moment to pick to promote an industry that requires high levels of centralised control and regulation, high levels of security and a great deal of care around the tracking of fuel, waste and protection of plant. It intensifies the heat in already fraught political contexts. How will we decide on who has the tech, on what 'safe' and 'civilian' amounts to and what the wider consequences of sustaining big postgraduate N professions across the world?
Politicians have to agree to drive energy demand down dramatically
I'd agree with anyone that this much endangered low hanging fruit won't deliver the kinds of emissions cuts that might mitigate the threat of dangerous climate change. Politicians have to agree to drive energy demand down dramatically. Politically impossible to make our housing stock decent, our towns and cities pleasant and healthy, and our experience of travel more rewarding? For this and a host of other reasons we need to redefine quality of life.
To say to other nations that 'we can have nuclear power but you aren't mature enough' is not going to help gather an international community to address global challenges.
The sibling issue is that the west chasing after nuclear again makes it appear that this is the 'developed' choice. That's despite the Finns working on a new plant whose installation will overshoot by several years and lots of cash and has Finnish contractors and government and the French and German builders bickering over whose fault it is.
In short: there are fast, cheap ways of cutting energy consumption in the near term that we've still not done and those will deliver emissions cuts years before the nuclear engineers reach for the 'on' button.












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The issue of N waste is, or should be, a problem that the N scientists alone should deal with, us lesser mortals would be bound to get it wrong.
In the search for alternative ways of producing our energy needs, now that the advent of 'peak oil' is upon us, there are a couple of things to remember. If you are a fan of wind power (no pun intended), you have a couple of things against you. Apart from the aesthetics there are, as with any of these sorts of projects, environmental issues to consider, but more importantly, these kinds of projects rely heavily on oil for their production, installation and maintenance. One wonders what will happen when oil does eventually run out.
Whilst N power is the most obvious alternative, and is an extremely clean method of producing electricity, it too is heavily dependent on oil. Oil is finite, so is uranium, both will run out one day. What comes after this?
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Nuclear power - Not convinced this is a good option, take look at Russia after Chernobyl. Do we really want a possible repeat. I understand that safety and maintance where factors - but even so. If it happens once what stops it happening again.
Having said that unless each house/building was made engery self sufficient - is there really a sustainable low cost, envirnomently and economically, energy source that could provide everything we use as a modern society. Surely a question to be considered is not which energy source - but which society model should be be trying to follow.
A change in society behaviours could save more than energy. - Do we need 24hour shopping? why are supermarkets open all hours with all the lights, display cabinets, cookers etc working for afew customers? is that not making us a society of waste rather than save? Do we truely need every street light on when on-one is about - what about several motion sensitive lights per street or solar powered options? Is 24 hour televison really needed? or does it just make us watch more - thereby using more electricity for kettles during programme breaks. What do you think?
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I commented on this post soon after it appeared, manking some relevant points, now my comment has vanished. Is there a good reason for this?
[Moderator: it's possible it may have got caught up in the database problems the week before last, although the dates don't seem to match - see the announcement under Darwin & Evolution for more information - please re-post]
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I am not a fan of nuclear power, but it's been shown to be safe enough in France. There are a number of issues with it, such as rivers drying up and causing nuclear power stations to shut down; estuaries having all their water sucked through a nuclear power station and heated - this kills all the developing smolt and fry which it contains; and carbon dioxide released from the concrete used in construction. Clearly we want to avoid these problems, but a building a Severn barrage would be infinitely worse, and I'm not sure we want to fill the sea with underwater turbines that shred any marine creatures which get too close.
Carbon capture looks like a promising option, but well-placed nuclear power plants may still be the best way to provide power in the first half of this century. I would hope that nuclear fusion would then take over, but I have heard that we could use up all the world's heavy hydrogen within a thousand years rather than the million that is usually promised. Even a million years is a short time, and we need to think about what happens after that: we can't be sure that a better power source will ever be found.
Surely energy conservation is the most sensible way to go as a first step: if a cyclist (0.9 drag coefficient) can travel at 30mph using only 450 watts, why do most people in rich countries imagine that they need to use hundreds of times that amount of power to transport themselves around? It's crazy. Why do buildings need to be heated like the tropics? There are many shops which I never go into in winter because I don't want to take most of my clothes off before going in! Public buildings are the worst offenders, often leaving their doors open, and you sometimes have to fight your way through a hot gale to get inside. We need to criminalise this waste of power, and we should also close down all the gyms that people drive to to get their exercise: they should go running or cycling to keep fit instead, and it would be much more fun to exercise in such ways if we could get rid of all those ridiculous cars that make the roads so unsafe and the air so toxic. All we've managed to do with cars is create a hell that isn't worth living in, and then we need cars and planes to escape from it periodically to maintain our sanity. We need a major redesign to our way of life, and we need it urgently.
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turned up to transport your sick daughter to hospital you might be looking for a bit more oomph?