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4.1 DI Bullet: witness interviews

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You will now have the chance to listen to recordings of the interviews that DI Bullet conducted with the two witnesses, Lila and Seth.

Activity 4.1 Noting evidence (DI Bullet)

Allow about 30 minutes

Listen to the interviews as many times as you like, noting down any evidence that you think will help you solve the case. Also, note down anything you notice about the questions DI Bullet asks from what you’ve already learned about different types of question. You will evaluate these questions later this week.

DI Bullet interviews Lila first.

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DI BULLET
We found the getaway car just 30 minutes after the crime took place, a Silver Audi A8, number plate NG58 VXW. Liz was still inside and okay, but was very shaken, and we couldn't get anything useful from her. The car was abandoned in Manor Green, there’s a lot of warehouses in that area, including one we know to be used by a gang of ex-soldiers, who now make a living from various petty crimes, and the occasional armed robbery. They've all got previous form, particularly their leader, who is a big big, bald guy known as The Sergeant. A couple of the crew are of Indian origin, including Fat Baz, who is a short, overweight guy that we've banged up for bar fights on several occasions. These guys are pros, and they run their scores like a military operation. They are definitely the ones I like for this armed robbery, it has their MO all over it. I’m now going to interview the witnesses.
I'm going to interview you separately and your interviews will be recorded, so try to keep to the facts. Based on your initial statements we've made very good progress with our investigations and have we’ve got some very interesting lines of inquiry. We now need your help to make sure we have the evidence we need to catch these guys and put them away for a long time. We don't have any other evidence, so we really need you to come through for us. Lila, we'll start with you. You gave us some great information at the crime scene Lila, so I just need to get it all down in a formal statement. Let's start with an easy one, you said you saw a large silver Audi tear round the corner into the street you were in. What did you notice about the car and can you tell me what happened?
LILA
Yes. The number plate of the Audi was NG58 VXW. It drove into the street, tyres squealing and 4 men jumped out.
DI BULLET
Did they all have shot guns?
LILA
Yes. They were all waving shot guns and firing them into the air.
DI BULLET
Can you describe any of these men?
LILA
They were wearing army gear, you know, like camouflage stuff, though some of them had dark jackets over the top. Two had masks so I couldn't see them. The unmasked man who stole the case from the guard was about 5 foot 3, had long, black, curly hair and was of Indian origin. Probably early 20s. He was very stocky. They were all stocky, like they were body builders or bouncers.
DI BULLET
Those were the three that attacked the two security guards right?
LILA
Yes. They ran to the van and started fighting with the guards.
DI BULLET
So, we are looking for a stocky guy of Indian ethnicity. You say he was like a bouncer. Do you mean that he looked quite big?
LILA
Yes, not tall, but not at all skinny you know?
DI BULLET
Is it possible that he was stocky because he was overweight? I mean, you can't really tell if someone is muscly or fat when they are wearing a coat right?
LILA
I suppose not. Yes, he certainly could have been overweight. The point is that he definitely wasn't skinny.
DI BULLET
What about the driver, the one who kidnapped Liz?
LILA
He was dressed like a soldier. He grabbed Liz. He was really tall, maybe 6 foot 3. Caucasian and in his 30s, about 32. He really looked like a soldier, like very hard looking and professional. He was older than all the others and he was shouting at them.
DI BULLET
So he was in charge? He was telling the others what to do and it was his decision to grab Liz?
LILA
Yes. I think he was the leader.
DI BULLET
When you say he looked like a soldier, did he have a soldier's hair?
LILA
Yes, like a crew cut, like he was in the army.
DI BULLET
So, very, very short hair then.
LILA
Yes.
DI BULLET
So short that you couldn't really see his hair?
LILA
Well, I mean, you could be right.
DI BULLET
So short that he could have been bald? It is hard to distinguish sometimes between a crew cut and being bald. I often think soldiers can look bald.
LILA
That's true. Yes, he could easily have been bald. If he had hair, it was really, really short, but I suppose he could have been bald too.
DI BULLET
Right. Let's try and run through the timeline of events. A large, silver Audi pulls up and 4 guys jump out with guns. Then what happens?
LILA
Three run to the van, firing their guns.
DI BULLET
Are the guards still in the van at this point?
LILA
Ummm... I suppose they must have been. Yes because the robbers dragged them out. The unmasked one starts fighting with one of the guards - the one that has the case. He cuts the case from the guard.
DI BULLET
What are the other two doing whilst this is going on? Did they join in the fight or were they covering the other guard?
LILA
Covering the other guard.
DI BULLET
So, at what point did the driver grab Liz? Was it whilst all this was going on?
LILA
Yes. He ran over to us and he started pulling Liz towards the car. He was shouting at us and firing his gun.
DI BULLET
Did he threaten you?
LILA
Well he must have. It was all very loud. Liz was screaming.
DI BULLET
Did he threaten to shoot you.? To shoot Liz?
LILA
Yes.
DI BULLET
And then they all ran back to the car and sped off?
LILA
Yes.
DI BULLET
Okay Lila, nearly there. Just a few things for the record. Did you get a good look at the car, the 4 men and all that happened?
LILA
Yes.
DI BULLET
How far were you away, and was there anything obstructing your view?
LILA
I guess it was about 10 feet, and I had a very good view.
DI BULLET
Would you be able to recognise the men if you saw them again?
LILA
Yes, I think so... probably. At least the two without masks. They were quite distinctive - one was like a soldier and one was Indian looking.
DI BULLET
So, you got a very good view of the two men and are confident you could pick them out of a lineup?
LILA
Yes, I could pick them out.
DI BULLET
Great! Many thanks indeed Lila.
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DI Bullet interviews Seth next.

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DI BULLET
Thanks for coming in Seth. I know this was all very stressful for you and that you don’t really have that good an idea about what happened. Don't worry, I don't need much from you. Really I just need to check a few facts, and get a formal statement of your account. Let's start at the beginning. You said you saw an Audi, an A8 I think, drive into your street with its tyres squealing. Is that right?
SETH
Yeah, yeah, that’s right. It was a silver Audi A8. Its tyres were really screeching, so it must have been driving and braking very quickly.
DI BULLET
So it screeches to a stop and the robbers all pile out. Was anyone shouting at this point?
SETH
Yes. I think all of them were shouting.
DI BULLET
What about the driver? Was he shouting?
SETH
Yes.
DI BULLET
So they all pile out of the car, and the Driver is shouting. Was he shouting at you? Was he shouting at the guards? Was he shouting at the other robbers? Perhaps telling them to hurry up, or giving them other orders?
SETH
He was definitely shouting a lot, and yes, I'm sure I can remember him shouting to the others.
DI BULLET
This driver guy, the one who was the leader. He was a big guy right? Dressed in army fatigues, and with an army like hair cut?
SETH
Yes, he looked just like a soldier.
DI BULLET
So, what, was he 6 foot 4 maybe? Hair cut so short he almost looked bald, in fact could have been bald? Tough looking guy, not the sort you'd want to mess with?
SETH
Yes, that's right. I wouldn't want to mess with him on a good day, let alone when he was pointing a shot gun at me!
DI BULLET
They were all armed, right? I mean, the armed robbers were all armed, is that correct?
SETH
Obviously. Yeah, I think so. They all had shot guns.
DI BULLET
Okay. So we've got the leader who dresses like, acts like and looks like a soldier. He's 6 foot 4. A real tough looking bald guy, shouting orders and waving a gun around. Two others have masks, and then we have a...
SETH
Well, there was something about one of the masked men...
DI BULLET
They had masks mate. Let's concentrate on those you can actually describe. The fourth man, the Indian guy who attacked the security guard. You said he was a very stocky kind of man. Definitely not thin, so we're talking overweight. Really bulked out his clothes. Can you describe anything else about him?
SETH
He had quite long, black hair, it was very curly. He was probably 5 foot 3.
DI BULLET
Great stuff Seth. So we're looking for an overweight man of 5 foot 3, with long curly black hair and of Indian origin. Is that about right?
SETH
I think so, yes.
DI BULLET
Okay Seth. You can relax mate. I've got all I need, you've been very helpful indeed. I’ll arrange a car to pick you up. Is there anything else before I go?
SETH
Oh yeah, well, there is. I thought, um, well ummm...I thought there was, it’s difficult, there was something not quite right about one of them, and um...
DI BULLET
What? No?
SETH
umm, no, it’s alright, I was just really scared. I’m really glad I was able to help you I didn’t think I’d be of any use.
DI BULLET
Seth you’ve been very very helpful, thanks very much for coming in and I’ll go an arrange that car now.
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