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Owain Smolovic Jones
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20 October 2016, 12:32 PM Edited by Matthew Driver on 31 October 2016, 9:58 AM

Week 3, Activity 2 Seeking out difference

Building on your insights in this week’s learning journal, some time thinking about someone either a) in your organisation, b) in your community, or c) in another organisation that you think offers a very different perspective on an issue you think your organisation could help to address. Ask that person for their view, emphasising that they can help stretch your thinking and enrich your perspective as a practitioner. Write about your experiences here and then comment on the posts of two other learners.


Ian Jones Post 2 in reply to 1

10 November 2016, 7:17 AM

Had a discussion with a senior person from a NHS Trust. We talked about the pressures from above the statutory duties the top down government directives, funding pressures, MP interference and media monitoring. This tends to divert thinking from people and the real reason why you are their to deliver quality services to those who need them. The 'political imperative is always hovering over ones head', he said. He acknowledged that sometimes they forget about involving other people in decision making processes and those directing the pressure from above seemed to weigh their importance at the expense of others. I acknowledge that the political pressures on the voluntary sector were never really as extreme particularly for smaller more local charities and not the national ones. Although I understand the demands made upon him, I was perhaps a bit dismissive of the pressure that caused within his organisation. The collaboration we have can cause tension, yet we both agreed that this tension can be very creative.

Carol Jacklin-Jarvis Post 3 in reply to 2

14 November 2016, 10:07 AM

Hi Ian

This comparison of political pressures in different organizational contexts is an interesting one.  Does this add to the tensions of collaboration, or provide some insight as to how you might work better together?

Carol

Ian Jones Post 4 in reply to 3

15 November 2016, 7:14 AM

I think that both arise when looking a bit closer at various situations. Some partners organisations follow processes and are rather risk averse, they want partners to toe the line. On other occasions partners see the opportunity to collaborate as it allows them to go beyond what they could do if working in isolation. Risk can be shared and different organisations take on various responsibilities that address complex issues.

Darren Smith Post 14 in reply to 4

27 February 2018, 6:37 PM
In being risk averse, those partners risk stagnation instead. Collaboration means sharing knowledge and costs.

Stephen Elsden Post 6 in reply to 2

16 November 2016, 11:53 AM

Hi Ian. 

My charity works very collaboratively with our local authority in Kent. As a result, we are very informed about their political pressures, and we are open with them about our own challenges. This openness has stimulated a number of service recent developments which go some way to addressing the needs of both sides - both in terms of finances and user outcomes - and providing a 'win win' scenario. I don't know if your charity works directly with the NHS Trust you mention, but perhaps this is an area that could be explored if you haven't already.

Stephen

Ian Jones Post 7 in reply to 6

17 November 2016, 6:33 AM

Thanks Stephen, yes we work with the trust who understand but the pressures from above on waiting lists in hospitals diminishes their opportunities to focus on prevention. We will keep going!

Stephen Elsden Post 5 in reply to 1

16 November 2016, 11:48 AM

I discussed the issue of service user engagement with the CEO of another local charity. His organisation is expert in co-production and has service users actively involved at all levels. My charity has struggled to get service users involved in organisational strategy and quality improvement, aside from a single service user representative on our Board of Trustees.

I thought I would be offered some hints and tips on how to improve our engagement. However, what came back from peer was the fact that any engagement is better than none at all. and that I should not be afraid to start very small in engaging service users in meaningful discussion and input.

Most of our service users are diverse across Kent and Medway, but we have around 80 who regularly attend a Training Centre at our main offices. The insight I gained that 'small is beautiful' has spurred me to speak to our Service User Trustee about spearheading an approach to Centre attendees. This has already generated ideas for service enhancements that we are putting into place.

Owain Smolovic Jones Post 8 in reply to 5

23 November 2016, 8:22 AM

That's really cool Stephen. You're obviously a very open and considered leader. What are some of the service enhancements you've pursued?

Darren Smith Post 15 in reply to 5

27 February 2018, 6:50 PM
A group of 80 diverse minds exchanging experiences and ideas has the potential to unearth a willing spokesperson. And possibly instigate a domino effect of increased engagement. Good luck.          

Peta Wilkinson Post 19 in reply to 5

14 June 2018, 1:49 PM

Hi Stephen this is really interesting how did the service users perceive the engagement?

John Hemming Post 9 in reply to 1

10 December 2016, 3:43 PM

I work for a grant making charity and had a discussion with a Trustee regarding risk and the nature of grants made.  The awards are primarily made for capital items.  If you fund the installation of new windows or purchase of a new mini-bus you can go round and see exactly what the funds granted have been used for, little risk.  A nice clean process.

However it is often difficult to monitor and follow the use of funds granted towards running costs and salaries and in addition if the recipient of the grant is not successful is obtaining additional funding once one grant has expired dire financial consequences can result.  The Trustee explained that over 15 years ago the organisation funded a support group for three years to a considerable extent but at the end of the period the group failed to get further funding and had to close.  Regrettably the group went to the press blaming the funder with headlines such as "charity slashes funding, 5 redundancies etc." 

I explained that I felt we were not serving a key sector "those in need", a key objective, and that many had suffered over the last 15 years because of the ruling.  A degree of movement was achieved in that the premises rental costs would be considered more favourably but salaries/wages would still be excluded. 

Carol Jacklin-Jarvis Post 10 in reply to 9

12 December 2016, 2:46 PM

Really interesting example of a tough conversation - and interesting to be given a longer historical perspective on the issue.  I wondered if your own perspective also shifted in the course of the conversation?

Carol

John Hemming Post 11 in reply to 10

21 January 2017, 1:26 PM

I have to say no, except my determination to continue to argue for change.

I had a grants meeting this week, two for capital items , three for revenue.  The  capital funding went through cleanly and I managed two out of the three revenue applications.  The discussions are however getting less combative which is good.

The Trust have three strategy days over the coming months so we have to prepare our approach. 

Carol Jacklin-Jarvis Post 12 in reply to 11

26 January 2017, 9:14 AM

Perhaps the tough conversations have the potential to re-frame future conversations.

Carol

Victoria Richardson Post 17 in reply to 9

11 June 2018, 12:29 PM

Thanks for posting this John,

It highlights for me the difficulty of raising difficult issues and how do we make it possible for those who find it difficult to speak out to voice issues that they see. It's great that some changes were able to be implemented after you spoke but I wonder if something could have been changed sooner if there had been more opportunities for the rest of the team to say how they felt about the organisation. 



Darren Smith Post 13 in reply to 1

27 February 2018, 6:27 PM

Week 3 – Activity 2

 

I got an opportunity to speak to a local councillor to discuss the disconnected range of services that our patrons were often not aware of.

 

At the point of registration by the council, there was no automatic announcement or dispatch of relevant information on what someone might be entitled to. The system was fragmented at best and not communicated at worst.

 

It was a really useful conversation and it stimulated a response which brought other council staff officers directly into our charity. They were able to hear first-hand accounts of challenges and omissions affecting our patrons.

 

The outcomes were positive and engaging. It was collaborative and furthermore, it was acknowledgement and recognition of different needs and how working together can bring about alternative solutions.

Victoria Richardson Post 18 in reply to 13

11 June 2018, 12:33 PM

HI Darren,


I was recently part of a multi service training session on Universal credit. It was great that we were able as multi agencies to be able to discuss with those in charge the difficulties our service users had and they could explain some of their needs and systems. It's a shame these discussion/training sessions can't take place before some of the changes are implemented to avoid a few of the difficulties and distress. It's good to here of collaborative working happening elsewhere. 

Peta Wilkinson Post 20 in reply to 13

14 June 2018, 1:56 PM

Hi Darren how did this impact the people you support?

Jane Holdsworth Post 22 in reply to 13

20 August 2018, 11:46 AM

Hi Darren


That sounds like a great outcome. I'm involved in Working Together Boards about keeping older people out of hospital and in their homes. I'm fascinated by hearing different partners talk about what would work: GPs, nurses, hospices, emergency services, OTS and Care homes and how fundamental it is to understand the different perspectives.

What I find more difficult is working out a strategic approach for how the voluntary and community sector and volunteers could  help make this work. Service users also often get left out of the conundrum.

Victoria Richardson Post 16 in reply to 1

11 June 2018, 12:22 PM

week three activity two

I spoke to one our more senior managers. I was interested to know her opinion on encouraging volunteers to take on and comply with the changes that the organisation implements. She came from the stand point that there is always a definite reason for these changes and they should be explained and then complying is not optional. This stand point has seen some of my longer term volunteers retiring but new ones who like the more structured defined way of working joining the team. I would like to see more time taken over decisions and those on the ground being more involved in the decisions but I also see how this would take a lot of time and effort and be extremely difficult to implement nationally. 

Jane Holdsworth Post 21 in reply to 16

20 August 2018, 11:40 AM

Hi Victoria

That's an interesting observation and mirrors a bit my comment about the tension of retaining enthusiastic community volunteers and not putting them off with huge amounts of red tape. I think there has got to be standards in place to protect the volunteer and beneficiaries but these need to be applied flexibility and appropriately.