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Debate: Lounge language

Forum guest John Cowley wondered what people call the room they do their living - or lounging - in

15 Aug
2005

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I wonder, what is the "right" term for this room? Is it a lounge, a sitting room or a living room?

Also, is it a "napkin" or a "serviette" one uses during a meal?!

It makes me smile because some people consider certains terms as being "common" but just what is "common....?!"

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Is it a lounge, living room, sitting room??

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I wonder, what is the "right" term for this room? Is it a lounge, a sitting room or a living room?

Also, is it a "napkin" or a "serviette" one uses during a meal?!

It makes me smile because some people consider certains terms as being "common" but just what is "common....?!"

John, London

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Well I have a lounge, dining room, and kitchen. No different from my parents or in-laws, who shared similar antecedents - middle class "in trade". The only change is that my parents' "conservatory" has become our "sun-lounge".

I am planning an extension that will connect the kitchen and sun-lounge, this virtual room is already christened the "family room" even though both my daughters are adults living independently!

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When I was a child during the War. The place where Mum cooked was the scullery with a sink and gas stove. The main room was called the kitchen although no cooking was done there. Later when the local council updated the house by knocked out the coal barn ,put in an indoor toilet, and extended the scullery. We now called that the kitchen and the other main room became the living room. It has never changed its name to lounge.

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When I lived in a private house with parents it was the lounge, now I'm in an ex council house its the back room

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I lived near Freedom Park in Plymouth during the 60s we had at the back a bathroom then the kitchen (where we ate) next to that the breakfast room (where we relaxed and watched tv) then the sitting room where we went if we had friends in to visit then we had the front room where we seldom went because my mother wanted to keep it as new , when we sat in there the settee was covered with a cloth and if we did go in my mum would say "what are you doing in here" my mum was born in Notting Hill Gate everyone of the family of 9 lived and slept in the same room . when I moved to Scotland my wife lived in a Butt n Ben

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I totally agree with Clare. Toilet is anything but posh. One teacher at my old school in Surrey wouldn't excuse you at all if you used that word.

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I'm sorry, but what about drawing room! There are many of us out there who call it that. The drawing room is certainly the room you would entertain in, though you might also have a (more private) sitting room as well.

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I agree on the whole.

As far as I am concerned, it is the drawing room, to distinguish it from the morning room and the dining room.

I suppose I sometimes refer to them by the general colour of their decoration and furnishings. Thus, 'red' room, 'blue' room, etc..

We do not possess a 'lounge', 'parlour', 'living room', etc., though we do have a 'study'.

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I think you're wrong. In Victorian times, the upper classes would entertain in the dining room. Afterwards the ladies would "withdraw", to the withdrawing room, to allow the men to do whatever it was that Victorian men did when their women were absent.
This was abreviated over time to the drawing room, which we use today, although I'm not sure how many of us have such a thing. I know I don't, and wouldn't know what to do with it if I did. Go into it with my wife after dinner probably!

Nick P

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Actually, Americans call the piece of linen placed in a diner's lap a napkin, too. I'd never heard it called a serviette until I came to the UK.

I'm still confused over whether it is proper or not to say "toilet" or "lavatory" (toilet sounds a bit too graphic to me) so I ask for the loo!

I have to say I love learning new terms here and find listening to regional accents from around the UK a tremendous treat.

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I was brought up to say 'napkin'. To me if cloth rather than paper is used it can only be a 'napkin'; a curious combination of the french nappe (tablecloth) and -kin (old english diminutive).

A 'serviette' is an alternative word for a 'paper napkin' to me. I do not recall hearing the word until the 1970s

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Toilet is not posh (especially when pronounced "toy-lit"). Lavatory or loo is better but never ever little girls room!

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Wasn't toilet originally just a room in which to wash - to faire son toilette, as the French have it? What I'd been told was that in the original days of first class rail travel, there was a lavatory and a toilet room on each carriage; when the two were merged to save space, the toilet sign was the one which was kept, presumably to allow people to claim they had merely been to wash their hands...

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It's interesting the earliest recorded use of 'toilet' as 'dressing-room furnished with washing facilities, a bathroom, a lavatory' was in the USA in 1819. Before that, and before even the wealthy had a separate room for washing themselves in, it had a long history connected with people dressing themselves. Its earliest recorded uses , in the early 1600s, were in connection with the French word 'toile' = 'piece of cloth', the one which was put over the shoulders while having the hair dressed into the elaborate, fashionable styles, especially when hair-powder came into fashion. It then moved on to the cloth draped over a dressing-table as well, and then to the table itself and the articles for dressing and preparing for a fashionable appearance. By the late 18th and early 19th centuries, it had also come to be used for the actual clothes and people's appearance when dressed 'a very elegant toilette' meant someone was well turned out, in the latest fashion.

Probably the increasingly widespread use of the water-closet, especially in the 19th century, brought the word into its current use. 19th-century America, as well as Victorian Britain, developed plenty of euphemisms to cover over topics regarded as unpleasant. That could perhaps explain the use in the first class railway carriage.

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The jerry was always the po (pot de chambre) when I was a little lad. Americans (and Canadians) have a curious problem: a domestic loo is a bathroom, but a public loo is a restroom. Personally, I'd be worried if I went into a pubic loo and found people "resting" in there.

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It was always the front room in our house; the kitchen was always the back kitchen. This despite the fact that our house was built with the kitchen at the front and the living room at the back! I was rought up in Beechdale in Walsall -- Noddy Holder lived around the corner -- and nobody had a lounge!

Curiously, I'd been used to saying "lavatory", but when we moved to B in 1953, aged 2, I found everyone said "toilet", so I switched to the posh expression. hese days I say "loo" ... sad, isn't it!

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In my flat, the kitchen is at the front, living room at the back, bedroom at the front too.
I guess I mostly use living room for the room in my home where I live, eat, watch TV and use my computer. I have used the term lounge before, until someone questioned me on that -- I think it was an American, who only thought of lounge in terms of a departure lounge or hotel lounge. I think that any of the 3 terms can be used, but I hear living room the most often.

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Ours was the 'front room' too (Notts/Lincs border) although our house was sideways on to the road. Older people sometimes said 'best room'. It was only used on grand occasions. Later, I spent some years in a cottage with both main rooms at the front, so it was the 'sitting room'.

The 'lav' or 'lavvy' was round the side of the house, but school had 'toilets'. The history of the word for this 'smallest room',to use one rather coy expression, is fascinating. As a word becomes thought to be too closely connected with the business of getting rid of our waste products, another word or nickname is invented, or an existing word gets a new meaning, to replace it. Our word 'lavatory' was a mediaeval term for a washing-place, particularly in a monastery. When that got too many unpleasant associations, people who wanted to sound more refined moved 'toilet' over from its earlier meaning of 'dressing-table' - this can cause some confusion when reading books from earlier centuries, like a line in a poem by Pope, in the earlier eighteenth century, describing a rich girl's very classy bedroom and her layout of make-up:
'And now unveiled the toilet stands displayed'!
There are some remarkably coy expressions today; American use of 'bathroom' can cause misunderstandings.

What about 'non-water-closet' internal sanitary arrangements of the relatively recent past, e.g. the thing under the bed - a 'jerry' or 'guzunder' (presumably because it goes under the bed)? In Shakespeare's time it was a 'jordan', probably from references to the River Jordan in the Bible.
Diana

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It depends on your social class and where you live in England. Thereis no "correct" word.

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I genuinely had this conversation the other day, while looking at a floorplan for a building:

me: so, what's the difference between a family room and a living room?
them: the family room is the one you use every day, the living room is more formal
me: so you do your living in the family room, but if you have visitors, the family gathers in the living room?
them : anyway, as you can see there's also a breakfast room...

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You will only find a lounge in a hotel.
A living room will be found in your home.

If anyone is interested, you will only find a sink in the kitchen and/or utility, and a basin in the bathroom/toilet.

In Britain, napkins are used by diners in the dining room,(however, napkins are something entirely different in the USA)and serviettes are used by waiters.

...and, for ladies only - hats should never be worn after the cocktail hour.

Sue

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